WARM GREETING/WARM CHRISTIAN GREETING - This phrase lets the congregation know that they must applaud politely to either a visiting speaker, or a member who has travelled to another congregation and who is "bringing the love" home from that congregation. This latter action may have been done away with, probably because it made things much too happy and informal, but also had the sad effect of members not being able to publicly brag that they had faithfully attended other meetings while on holiday.
Muddy Waters
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Learn To Speak Like A Jehovah's Witness
by pale.emperor infor those who were never a jw, here's a fun guide to passing yourself as one:.
privilege [priv-lij] - a duty nobody would volunteer to do which is assigned to you without your say so.
such as cleaning the toilets, picking up other brats candy wrappers in the back row and being stuck on locking up duty for the 7th time in a row.. df'd [dee-eff'd] - disfellowshipped.
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Learn To Speak Like A Jehovah's Witness
by pale.emperor infor those who were never a jw, here's a fun guide to passing yourself as one:.
privilege [priv-lij] - a duty nobody would volunteer to do which is assigned to you without your say so.
such as cleaning the toilets, picking up other brats candy wrappers in the back row and being stuck on locking up duty for the 7th time in a row.. df'd [dee-eff'd] - disfellowshipped.
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BIBLE STUDY - more than one definition. It may describe the reading and repeating of paragraphs from a JW BOOK which is NOT the Bible. Also used to describe a PERSON who studies a JW book (NOT the Bible).
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Learn To Speak Like A Jehovah's Witness
by pale.emperor infor those who were never a jw, here's a fun guide to passing yourself as one:.
privilege [priv-lij] - a duty nobody would volunteer to do which is assigned to you without your say so.
such as cleaning the toilets, picking up other brats candy wrappers in the back row and being stuck on locking up duty for the 7th time in a row.. df'd [dee-eff'd] - disfellowshipped.
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KINGDOM MELODIES - (love the way some posters describe this as "Kingdom Maladies"!) -- a collection of dreadful, depressing, weirdly-paced, dreary songs, with weird chords and musical progressions that nobody has ever heard of before, sung self-consciously and sotto voice by a tone-deaf congregation.
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Fudging The Numbers JW Style
by pale.emperor ini know most of us have probably figured this out already, but remember the good old days where you could only count full hours in the ministry?.
then one of the gb get some "new light" from their ass and proclaim that they lovingly will allow people to report 30mins, then even 15mins of time.
this was, supposedly, so that the old and infirm could have a joy in the ministry and report what little they could do.
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Yes, and isn't it amazing how *Jehovah* is the one who comes up with this wonderful privilege of counting time this way. (Despite the Bible verses which say not to keep a record of your deeds, but your father in heaven will see you in secret and bless you.... and that we should not let our right hand know what the left is doing, blah blah blah.)
Jehovah and his GB minions certainly are amazing. With the one with whom there is "no variation of the turning of the shadow" or whatever, he certainly is flexible with things... thank goodness the GB know how to "hear" him and fine-tune these miraculous revelations.
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So I just watched Jackson's ARC interview...
by schnell inthank you, everybody here, for introducing me to this.
no, no i had not heard of this.
child abuse issues have been roundly dismissed as apostate attacks in the congregations i've attended in the last decade.
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And look how Bowditch blusters and fluffs himself up, all full of himself, only to be torn down again, fallen, defeated, and finally admitting the true facts after Mr. Stewart's, calm, masterful and relentless expert questioning. (Mr.Stewart is my new hero, too!!!)
Gawd, this ARC hearing should be a TV series!!! People would be aghast to think this is real testimony from members of a seemingly innocuous religion (Cult).
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LEAKED Talk - Depression Is A Part Of This Life
by pale.emperor inanother leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share.
an elder gave me a ton of talks from bethel and special assembleys to put on his ipod.
of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.. depression is a part of this life by brother nathan fuel.. this talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed?
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This talk was so over the top I couldn't help wondering if the speaker was "awake"... It seemed like satire to me! or am I finally seeing thru the double-talk....
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Jehovah`s Witnesses Religion based on First Century Christianity ?
by smiddy inwho was the president of the first century christian congregation after jesus death , , the secretary ,the treasurer ,the field overseer ,the district overseer ,who were the lawyers protecting the congregations from secular authorities ,the mogul`s of real estate , buying up land and getting christians to build places of worship with free labor and then selling them off for a profit a few years down the track , with nothing going back to those who laboured on those projects .. where are the records on papyrus , that the 1st century witnesses counted their hours ,made return visits ,bible studies ,oops the bible wasnt even formulated then ,that didn`t occur until apostate christendom in the 3rd century came up with a number of books to be inspired ..
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Too true, all good points! Whenever I had thoughts like that, they would quickly be suppressed as Satanic thinking.... good grief....
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How the Present G.B. Deceives its Followers/Readers....................
by The Searcher in............into believing that inferred "statements" are actual facts, while never stating anything!
w07 1/1 p. 28 pars.
11,12 "the first resurrection"—now under way!
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Wow.... such fantasies.... To think I believed these jerks so completely, for so long. Good grief.
I did learn from them, however, the art of deflection and obfuscation. Not that this is anything of which to be proud. But it did come in handy one time during a business conversation, where someone was asking me questions and at the time, I didn't quite know the answers.
I was saying things like, "well, while that might be possible, we can't say for sure that blah blah blah... However, in other circumstances, it has been shown to blah blah blah...." To my amazement, they went with our company. Thankfully we came through and did a great job for them. I guess the point made was that though there were no guarantees, we would do the best job we could for them. We were professional of course, but I felt so bad for all those wiggle words! I learned from the masters of double talk.
Next time I will say, "I don't have the complete answer for that, but let me find out/do some research for you, and I will get back to you."
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where have the demons gone?
by aboveusonlysky indoes anybody remember some of the sensational demon stories jw's would tell back in the day?
i was a kid in the early 80's and i remember a few times hearing of people having real life encounters with demons.
for example, one sister claimed that before she became a jdub she would regularly talk to demons and they would even fix stuff like her washing machine!
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When I was a JW, had frequent night terrors and sleep paralysis stuff, which of course, I attributed to demons. It was terrifying to go to sleep at night. I would pray and pray for Jehovah to help me find the demonized object...
.... good grief.
Now, none of that shit happens to me any more. The mind is a powerful believer.....
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Are you sad or angry?
by raven inafter exiting the org, i mean cult, how have each of you felt personally about the lies you had been taught, the hurt from feeling betrayed by these people, actual hopes of once believed false teachings, rose colored lenses of seemingly just and right doctrines that turned out to be a bunch of horse $#!+, the shunning of family and friends?
right now i am going through the motions, i've just moved to a new home, which means hopefully no more elders searching for me at my previous address.. i can't help but feel sad though right now because of the fact that although i am not df'd ( maybe the elders will do it in absentia assuming i've been avoiding them and the 2 jc's they've invited me to as well as the last handwritten letter at my door before i moved ) my mom treats me as though i am dead to her, she says " i am living the life of a disfellowshipped person, and until i come back to jehovah this is how things will be because this was my choice to leave jehovah " ok i get it, but i don't- everyone has free will, so yes this was my choice but it is also her choice to shun me, especially after the "shun unrepentant wrongdoers" talk at the rc, funny how they come out with these talks to reel members back in.. she claims that she has an obligation to jehovah of which she promised to him after she was baptized not at 11, 13, or 17 ( young ages ) but fricken 26 years old.
i absolutely hate this organization and everything that it is, it's taken away my family and most importantly my own mother.. i always thought that a mothers love was to be unconditional, but hers for me is only conditional.
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I am now in my fifties, began studying when I was 20 (and circumstances at the time were a very low time in my life), and so the most vital, healthy years of my life are behind me, as well as income earning potential. All squandered away toward the org and its never-ceasing, always hungry, agenda....
Raised our children in this cult, but thank god/gods/spaghetti monster, they never took to this religion. They've told me they thought I was a "lifer", as I was *Very Indoctrinated*, very "zealous", the whole crapola. I am so different now from that JW person, they are telling me that it feels like they don't even know who I am, and that it even feels like they've entered an alternate universe.
Yet it also feels the same for me, that I don't even really know my own children (adults now), as so many years were spent trying to suppress their dear personalities and make them conform to WT borgification.... And I see that they are wonderful people who are going through their own terrible (psychological) journey from being raised in that climate of fear, suppression, subjugation, and sublimation.
I feel both sad and angry that I was so taken in and for so long!!
When I first discovered and learned that we'd been lied to, I had awful dreams. In one dream, I vividly remembering wandering the streets and alley ways, crying my heart out, and calling, "Jehovah, where are you??" When I woke up, my pillow was wet.
In other similar, and repetitive dreams, we would be trying to get to an assembly, and either getting hopelessly lost and feeling anxious about losing our way... Or getting to the assembly/convention, and then being unable to find any seats, walking around and around and around... lugging our bags and books and coats and lunches, and everybody staring coldly at us (so terrible to be late you know!) - yet nobody helping. Had many dreams like that! So weird.
I still feel a little lost, and very weighed down with the knowledge that: WE are to be the masters of our fate, we should be the ones deciding our destiny, and taking control of our life and try to make it be the best and happiest and healthiest we can be, that we are all in this together... that family is everything, and that community and politics matter, and that this life is all we most likely have....